• We have updated the site to the latest version. You will be required to log in to make sure your account is active. There are quite a few new functions so it will take a little time to get use to it. Please post if you see or have any issues.

SSI pipe mod

S

Surfside

New Member
Messages
25
Age
74
Location
West metro mpls
For guys that are running SSI pipe mod without fuel controller.
1. Are you running slp resistor?
2. Do you run in ethanol or 91 setting?
3. Have ever had a detonation light?
4. Do you feel some type of fuel controller is needed?
5. What primary clutching changes did you make to run 8250 rpm?
6. Anyone able to do accurate testing on gains?
 
Just keep in mind the resistor only changes fuel above 7700rpm I think - you'd have to verify with SLP. I think the Axys run a bit lean in the midrange?
 
We tested them in a shoot out back in December.
I also tested it again yesterday on a stock axys.
With and without fuel controller. It will work. 8-10 gain. Runs better with a fuel controller as any sled would now a days.

Epa regulations force manufacturers to run lean to pass.

Anyway. Run it to 8250-8400 rpm and your good
 
Brock said:
We tested them in a shoot out back in December.
I also tested it again yesterday on a stock axys.
With and without fuel controller. It will work. 8-10 gain. Runs better with a fuel controller as any sled would now a days.

Epa regulations force manufacturers to run lean to pass.

Anyway. Run it to 8250-8400 rpm and your good
Click to expand...
Any lean spots that could cause a burn down if the fuel controller and resistor isn't used.
 
These are my opinions. Don't take it as gospel!

1. No
2. PCV, I have concerns of running across a long lake on pump gas on the stock fuel map. The measurements on the SSI pipemod make me a little nervous, a tad less with the BMP and not worried about the SLP.
3. Not yet, I've seen another record DET.
4. Yes
5. Nothing stock in my clutches even stock.
6. Nothing on timers yet. Hoping to test BMP, SSI and SLP same day on timers.

Off topic. But SLP with can is loud. SLP with stock muffler is ok. SSI pipe mod, the stinger length and size gives me some concern. BMP, ceramic coating looked like it either didn't take in two sports or flaked.
 
Mine with pipe mod, ssi clutch kit (8400 full throttle rpm), pcv. Its a 2016 which is leaner than the 2015 stock fuel map. Mine will DET on 91 with octane booster in 91 non ethanol mode. Have to run it in ethanol mode no matter what the fuel. Also will DET sometimes in ethanol mode with PCV map with nothing added. And once in a while with PCV with fuel/timing added but very rarely. Also DET's Riding around 2700 feet every time you go wide open no matter the map, or fuel. Im working on figuring out how to get it not to do it probably take away some of the added timing but I recommend running non ethanol mode, get a PCV, and use 93 ethanol gas with octane booster added for best results. Im not really worried about burn down this thing is really good at protecting itself actually It would be nice if I could turn the det protection off for drag racing. It runs amazing by the way so much power its ridiculous.
 
Last edited:
The only concerns on fuel being lean from testing tons of axys 800's on the dyno no matter which pipe or pipe mod is around 8000 rpm and up to be leaner .
Most aftermarket mufflers make it worse as it chokes system off making it leaner and less cfm.

Cory, you definitely got something going on as we had many axys way lean on dyno without a signal hint of det.
Hi altitude,bad muffler,check map make sure it's installed correct, do tps 0000 check while idle at operating temp.
 
coryatver said:
Mine with pipe mod, ssi clutch kit (8400 full throttle rpm), pcv. Its a 2016 which is leaner than the 2015 stock fuel map. Mine will DET on 91 with octane booster in 91 non ethanol mode. Have to run it in ethanol mode no matter what the fuel. Also will DET sometimes in ethanol mode with PCV map with nothing added. And once in a while with PCV with fuel/timing added but very rarely. Also DET's Riding around 2700 feet every time you go wide open no matter the map, or fuel. Im working on figuring out how to get it not to do it probably take away some of the added timing but I recommend running non ethanol mode, get a PCV, and use 93 ethanol gas with octane booster added for best results. Im not really worried about burn down this thing is really good at protecting itself actually It would be nice if I could turn the det protection off for drag racing. It runs amazing by the way so much power its ridiculous.
Click to expand...
Mine does the same thing,took it to the dealer Monday, having low idle and stalling going into reverse,no way that sensor can pick up det in 1-2 seconds of wot,I think its a high tps volt causing it cause I put a stock pipe on mine and it still did it
 
mines a 15s and I have the DTR PC5 with timing ,running non eth and ALL good here ,no issues and running 8300 RPM based on DTR dyno sheets 8400 looses power according to DTR
 
I got 2 SSI Pipe Mod's with the Dynotech PCV set up with the Fuel and Timing mapping. One set up was installed on my 2016 Pro-s 800 which was fully broken in. The other was installed on my 2016 SKS that had Zero Miles. The Pro-s was run for 150 miles on a 20-35 degree day and ran strong all day without issue. The SKS was run on a very cold day. "Zero degrees to barely getting out of the single digits" She pulled 4 DET warnings in the 7000rpm area to the best of my recollection. Never had any issue in the higher rpm range where you might have expected issues. For what it is worth, there was a Bone Stock SKS riding with me that day that pulled One DET warning as well. I'm guessing the cold weather had something to do with the DET Warnings but I'd imagine the Pipe Mod had something to do with it as well. I'm not a computer wizz so I'm going to be challenged with having to make some adjustments to my PCV. I was totally hoping this would be a Plug-n-Play set up without needing to do computer tuning myself. "Oh Well"

Dr. Notadoo has been helpful telling me what I need to do. Given that to the best of my recollection I believe the DET warnings popped up around 7000rpm the Doctor recommended that I tune the PCV to saturate the area around the 7000rpm mark with 2% more fuel. Is there any way that I can find out exactly where the rpm was when she threw the DET warnings? I'd rather not be guessing on which area I should fatten the fuel if I didn't have to? ((For what it is worth, I was riding with another Bone Stock SKS that also threw One DET warning that day.)) He thought also to be in the 7000 rpm range. None of the DET warnings came in the high rpm areas that I might have thought to be where I would have issues.

In a 150 mile ride the stock SKS sucked down a lot more gas. I'm going to guess at least 2-3 more gallons of gas?
 
On digital wrench it tells you what rpm it starts getting DET.

I have pro s 16 completely out of break in with ssi pipe mod, ssi clutching, pcv

With the Heath Map which is designed for ethanol mode mine has det since out of 18 hr break in. He just sent the norm map which is designed for non eth 91 mode. In non eth 91 mode with that map mine still gets det. In ethanol mode with that map it hasn't yet but haven't got a lot of time on it but seems like I have found the solution for mine .


I have also tried eliminating other causes
sealed the exhuast
93 eth plus klotz booster
Tested tps on digital wrench and synced pcv tps
Relearned exhaust valves
mine runs 8400 with the ssi clutch kit and recommended magnet settings
 
Last edited:
These sleds are all a little different. The 16s are worse, they are 3% leaner . Fuel In the midrange is going to have to be added. Get a switch from dyno jet or where ever and load two maps in the PCV . If you have jims map that's on map position 1. Make another map and add 2% fuel from 40-80% throttle from 6000-8000 rpm. Run this map in 91 non eth mode and if you get DET still then switch to eth mode and try it. The reason we have to do this is the pipe mod is building up some heat in the pipe and making its way from exhaust pulse back to the motor. The added fuel will cool down the head temps. And stop the DET . Only other option is a free flowing pipe with no internal stinger. Then run map 1 at wot and make sure it's happy, if it is which it should be add those fuel settings to the 100% column in map 2 along with the ignition map. And retest
 
I have the switch it is really helpful. Yeah I think I should of kept the slp I had. Ssi makes good hp on dyno but real world builds to much heat causing det. So richen it up, remove timing until all the power you gained is gone basically? Probably going to go back to stock if this latest map I have doesn't work
 
Some of this DET talk has me wishing I had held off on this SSI Pipe Mod until more people got some real world testing in. I'm feeling a bit like a guinea pig at the moment. If I had read on the forums that people were having DET problems with the SSI Pipe Mod I would have steared clear and continued to enjoy my SLP set up that never let me down. I'm not a computer savvy guy and I definitely never had any intentions of creating my own mapping to make this Pipe work. From what I had read I believed the SSI Pipe Mod was a slam dunk. ((Best Bang for the Buck)) I also read and assumed the Dynotech PCV was a ((Plug-n-Play)) item with the homework from testing programmed into the PCV with the correct Fuel & Timing so I wouldn't have to deal with any issues.
 
Hopefully my previous thread was a little negative for no reason at all and if it was I'll state my satisfaction in another thread after things are right. After all, one of my sleds ran well with the kit on my 1st trial trip out. I'll be running that sled again tomorrow and it's going to be a very cold day. As cold as the temperatures we had the day my SKS was throwing DET warnings with the other SSI w/ PCV set up. I've got my fingers crossed that the Pro-S runs strong and without issues again tomorrow on trial #2. If she does prove to make the day without any problems I will have built some faith that the Pro-S set up works. Then I should have higher confidence that I can get the SKS set up to function properly without DET as well. I will post my testing results Tuesday.
 
To find out your cause of det.
Eliminate things one at a time.
If you have a Pcv, remove it.
If it still goes into det.
Remove your pipe mod.
If it still goes into det.
Then take it to your dealer.

Find out by process of elimination guys.
 
I have only had 1 det code after 1400 miles of riding it was mid range going into full throttle. Just after fuelling up at non brand gas station . Had no choice for fuel. Pcv , head and pipe. No issues here
 
Doo2Poo said:
I have only had 1 det code after 1400 miles of riding it was mid range going into full throttle. Just after fuelling up at non brand gas station . Had no choice for fuel. Pcv , head and pipe. No issues here
Click to expand...

wish mine was like that! Is yours a 2016 also? Im not taking off the PCV and SSI Pipe i got like 900 bucks wrapped up into it not counting the ssi clutch kit. I'm going to try and make it work and if I can't then I am going to sell it try to recoup some of it back. That and how you put it back to stock if you modded your pipe?? Luckally I bought a take off to get modded. It runs awesome but get det codes it sucks!

But I don't think other guys that have a 16 with SSI pipe mod and PCV have gotten it out of break in? Mine had no DET problems until I got out of the 18 hr break in mode. I was watching it and rode it for hrs before and after it hit 18 hrs it started DET'ing. And I ride the balls off mine not cruising around easy like some do that will not ever run it hard enough to get it to DET. The new 91 eth mode norm map ran in ethanol mode seems to have fixed it though I haven't gotten a DET code since! Need you smart tuner guys to get your 16s broke in and tuned so you can tell me what to do cause I don't know what I'm doing haha
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.


Back
Top Bottom