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BMP? A ? for Joey

I totally agree with the "fine Print"...if it doesnt say a tuner is needed with a pipe to gain thie big mid-range horsepower, then yes its misleading. You have to think of the people who dont know that a tuner is needed with a pipe. If you are in that RPM range and smash the throttle, I want that big HP gain they are claiming.
 
OutCast said:
I totally agree with the "fine Print"...if it doesnt say a tuner is needed with a pipe to gain thie big mid-range horsepower, then yes its misleading. You have to think of the people who dont know that a tuner is needed with a pipe. If you are in that RPM range and smash the throttle, I want that big HP gain they are claiming.
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the graph shows what the pipe does so I don't think they are claiming anything , my sled last year with SLP pipe that's down a few hp in the mid ran away from a stocker from mid on, or maybe it was the Dalton weights with the set screws not evenly placed ??
 
You are a funny guy flashie. Nobody should ever question anything right? Hows your experience with the Gabes kit going?
 
racerdave said:
You are a funny guy flashie. Nobody should ever question anything right? Hows your experience with the Gabes kit going?
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yea so I tried it , didn't work , and I trash him it on hcs when the chance comes up , I'm sure hes lost some sales and that good enough for me !!
 
When modding anything efi you have to retune it to maximize hp vs the stock tune. I deal with it all summer on my turbo car pushing 24lbs of boost. Im always on the dyno. And i beg to differ on that stock sled taking a bmp pipe sled in the trails. We could always race to find out. I did it all last year. Kept one of my axys sleds stock and modded my other one. Bolt on a pipe and clutch for it and you wont even come close. Exp regearing it. You are talking about a 400 rpm loss with just bolting the pipe on. I can tell you i rode 800 miles with just the pipe on and its a noticeable difference vs my stock sled. I live on a lake with the trail coming thru my back yard so im out every day testing. I have a ssi pipe as well but that just dets all the time with no tunner. So it sits on my garage floor now. In the cold it just didnt work for me. Thier is nothing wrong with the bmp, jaws, slp etc pipes. You want more power, tune it for what you are building dont halfass it imo. Just common sense to me. But i dont only just build sleds. Why dont you make a post saying ssi is miss leading everyone with thier det pipes, or slp for them splitting into 2 peices and thier fix is to band it more.
 
Wow you guys are a tough crowd..I think all Dave is saying is the advertizememt isent the whole truth. just the pipe and it clearly looses power in the mid, compared to stock, a lot of them do, it is a little misleading if you don't know how to read the graph. To get the midrange torque you need stage 3 or 4 ( I forget of the top of my head.) Flasch you probably pulled on that stock sled in the midrange because your clutch set-up is better. I don't post much on HCS , but being you guys brought up the daltons tip weight issue..Sense when doesn't adding tip weight not help reduce belt heat and better performance..I wont respond to that on HCS,because it will just turn into an argument,and its not worth it. So Dave I understand your statement that your making, on both counts..
 
Thanks Doc, you nailed it. There are a few that get it.
 
Still no word from Joey hmm that's odd lol.
Heath buddy I had nothing too say with the tip weight argument on hcs , all I'm saying is people have been using Dalton weights for years with no issues period !!
It doesn't matter with some people it's just not good enough........
 
flasch192 said:
Still no word from Joey hmm that's odd lol.
Heath buddy I had nothing too say with the tip weight argument on hcs , all I'm saying is people have been using Dalton weights for years with no issues period !!
It doesn't matter with some people it's just not good enough........
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There is no argument over there. It is called a discussion. Questions being asked and answered. Up to at least a few minutes ago when I looked at the thread. Seems you flasch just like to try to start disagreements and make accusations and snide remarks. Why is that? If you can't can't contribute something worth while to a thread, why not just stay out of it?
 
racerdave said:
There is no argument over there. It is called a discussion. Questions being asked and answered. Up to at least a few minutes ago when I looked at the thread. Seems you flasch just like to try to start disagreements and make accusations and snide remarks. Why is that? If you can't can't contribute something worth while to a thread, why not just stay out of it?
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Oh I think I contribute alot , you have a pretty smart mouth coming from a guy who's sled can't pull a common setup ? Did you ever think it's the sled or the guy turning the wrenches on it and not the setup , not sure how you ever got to be moderator on here cause your clearly not very smart ....
 
Don't think that type of discussion is warranted Jeremy. I think he was asking for clarification on the charts and advertising. I see nothing wrong with that. This is the purpose of a open forum. Please keep it civil. I see this too much in the other forum.
 
Jeremy, I was referring to Phils statement to Dave about tip weight and his answer. That's all bud..I don't understand his reasoning..no biggy, he has an opinion, I just don't care to argue . I let my sled do all my talking for me..
 
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I'm posting a bone stock run vs a bikeman pipe add only.
I said this last year as Dave mentioned about midrange.

You can see were the stock pipe has more power vs the bmp from 7000 rpm to 8100, then the bmp pipe makes more from 8200 rpm 8400 rpm. This test me , doc and Richy did at dtr same day , same Dyno,
This pipe wakes up nicely with a good tune(fuel & timing)

to add to daves argument , this stock pipe was made for midrange pull ( not top) as Polaris had factory pipe make it this way for corner to corner pull. To many people were complaining about midrange pull on the old cfi2 so Polaris did it thi way. I was told this by one of the engineers and the factory pipe guys .

It's hard to beat the stock pipe from around 7000-7800+ as it was intentionally made this way.

i see what Dave is saying and posted this for you guys to view as he has a point.

All aftermarket pipes takes a tuner with their pipe to make more midrange power vs stock. Polaris/ factory pipe did good on the midrange
 
Joey posted this on the FB Axys forum.
 

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flasch192 said:
Oh I think I contribute alot , you have a pretty smart mouth coming from a guy who's sled can't pull a common setup ? Did you ever think it's the sled or the guy turning the wrenches on it and not the setup , not sure how you ever got to be moderator on here cause your clearly not very smart ....
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Coming out of your mouth none of that carries much weight. Go ahead take your next shot.
 
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