Brock
Well-Known Member
I also want to add.
The cvt driveline system does have a huge effect. 90% of people complaining of loss of power, this so called fade is in the cvt system. Many dealers plus me have proven this. Seems internet chatter has people self diagnosising there sleds and they seem to have all the answers before we even try to help.
The internet can be good and bad, usually bad when it comes to a problem.
Anyway.
Polaris in my opinion didn't do well with the cvt system on the axys models from factory.
The s models with the 1.61 gear ratio is not complimenting the cvt system. The x version has a better gearing ratio from factory (1.86 ratio). The 1.86 ratio can pull rpm's more consistently even with a cvt system not set up properly in. The 1.61 ratio can't and will struggle.
The 26 degree primary sheaves as I've said before up shifts quicker then the 28 degree polaris has used commonly. The problem I see with this is polaris has used the same weights with the same profile(10 series). In my opinion, if your going to increase up shift quicker with different degree primary, then weights should have a different profile as well. Since its more aggressive up shift, the weights should be too?? Either that or add mid and tip weight to weights to keep belt pinch better to prevent from slipping. Or, just change back to 28 degree of norm?
The other problem is the the low engagement spring, it's not the rate of the springs, just the engagement. The gold spring rate of 133 is good, but you can keep around the same rate, just engagement will be a little higher like the blue polaris spring.
Also, the team tss-04 with the one cut helix from factory seems very rough. Some tss-04's are binding a little and can cause huge unforseen problems.
I used to use a jackshaft pick up with my racepac to monitor clutching. You can't with these as jackshaft is outside. I use an infared thermometer now to monitor primary and secondary temps. We usually make a couple wot pulls, then check primary and secondary heat right away. If there with in 5 degrees of each other your good. An example is the primary reading 125f and secondary 120f. I have had some poor running sleds read 140f on primary and 100f on secondary with belt residue on primary. Fixed with proper clutching and problem was solved.
I think polaris should have the gear ratio lower on the s models from factory. Change back to 28 degree primary, use a higher engagement spring like the polaris blue, junk the tss-04 team and use p2 or team tied.Offer more belt choices(softer and harder compounds). I think this would solve most cvt system issues.
just my opinion
The cvt driveline system does have a huge effect. 90% of people complaining of loss of power, this so called fade is in the cvt system. Many dealers plus me have proven this. Seems internet chatter has people self diagnosising there sleds and they seem to have all the answers before we even try to help.
The internet can be good and bad, usually bad when it comes to a problem.
Anyway.
Polaris in my opinion didn't do well with the cvt system on the axys models from factory.
The s models with the 1.61 gear ratio is not complimenting the cvt system. The x version has a better gearing ratio from factory (1.86 ratio). The 1.86 ratio can pull rpm's more consistently even with a cvt system not set up properly in. The 1.61 ratio can't and will struggle.
The 26 degree primary sheaves as I've said before up shifts quicker then the 28 degree polaris has used commonly. The problem I see with this is polaris has used the same weights with the same profile(10 series). In my opinion, if your going to increase up shift quicker with different degree primary, then weights should have a different profile as well. Since its more aggressive up shift, the weights should be too?? Either that or add mid and tip weight to weights to keep belt pinch better to prevent from slipping. Or, just change back to 28 degree of norm?
The other problem is the the low engagement spring, it's not the rate of the springs, just the engagement. The gold spring rate of 133 is good, but you can keep around the same rate, just engagement will be a little higher like the blue polaris spring.
Also, the team tss-04 with the one cut helix from factory seems very rough. Some tss-04's are binding a little and can cause huge unforseen problems.
I used to use a jackshaft pick up with my racepac to monitor clutching. You can't with these as jackshaft is outside. I use an infared thermometer now to monitor primary and secondary temps. We usually make a couple wot pulls, then check primary and secondary heat right away. If there with in 5 degrees of each other your good. An example is the primary reading 125f and secondary 120f. I have had some poor running sleds read 140f on primary and 100f on secondary with belt residue on primary. Fixed with proper clutching and problem was solved.
I think polaris should have the gear ratio lower on the s models from factory. Change back to 28 degree primary, use a higher engagement spring like the polaris blue, junk the tss-04 team and use p2 or team tied.Offer more belt choices(softer and harder compounds). I think this would solve most cvt system issues.
just my opinion
