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axys mod's

Brock said:
Clutching can be difficult and easy.

There are many ways and what people want.
fast trail
lake racing
sno x

All have different methods and gearing.

I like fast trail as it's the best of trail and some good top end. The backshift should be good and top speeds to were u want it.

Weights and helix are the main tuning tools. Springs are the fine tuning tools.

I like to throw as much weight as I can at any sled and use the softest springs possible. More weight gives better belt pinch, loads motor to get heat in pipe and less slippage. Use of lighter springs is because it's less friction.

Example: 800

Primary: 72 gram, 140/300 spring.
secondary: 66/44.46,140/220 spring

1.74 gear ratio.

Studded track 1.25" -1.325"

1000' elevation
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Have you tried the team tied clutch?how about the team rooster weights anyone try those?im looking into getting these for mine soon
 
To be perfectly honest, I haven't tried a team tied yet on these axys sleds.

I'm my opinion, I wouldn't waist my money on one. I would buy a P2 secondary though.
 
It comes with a tss04 which I've used on 4 other sleds and I had a p-2 on my 600 rush,the tied looks just like a p-2,why would you switch to the p-2?
 
The p2 is a more efficient clutch then the tss04, I can't speak for the tied because I don't have enough experience with it.

The only downside to the p2 is so few springs over any other.
 
Kerrdog569 said:
It comes with a tss04 which I've used on 4 other sleds and I had a p-2 on my 600 rush,the tied looks just like a p-2,why would you switch to the p-2?
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Gear your sled to 1.74, use a Gates belt pn 46C4387, 10-72 weights, 120-310 primary spring. In the P2 use a 130-180 spring with a Dalton 66-44/.45 helix and you're golden. With the P2, clutching, and gearing in my 2011 Rush 800 I got 114 mph.
 
one thing i like about the p2 based on what i just read on here is the spring tenson ..i like the fact that you can be under 200lbs
 
Found this interesting.

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Thought it would be good base line information to post destructive test and technical information below that compares the P2 Vs. TSS-04 secondaries. The engineer that generated the comparison is very qualified and is based on actual hands on test results and CVT power train design experience. I don't feel it is appropriate to reveal the source at this time but just consider the information as input when your TSS-04 need replacing. I hope to devote time this winter (if we get snow) refining both primary and P2 clutches spring and weight combinations for a 2010 Turbo LX with 2012 flash. To date the TSS-04 with PS helix is favored and that's only due to the extensive development and work by others on the site. In the end I believe the P2 with 3 rollers will rank on top. The TSS-04 non replaceable helix bushing and sheave bushing wear is the culprit that gradually causes performance deterioration. Another topic on this site shows a prototype replacement TSS helix bushing with 2.5 times the surface area.

The P2 has better top speed and back shift for several reasons:
1) It runs less spring force because its engagement and shift out heights are bigger than the team. The high shift out force of the Team restricts high ratio
2) Its bearing span is wider and therefore it can run looser fitting bearings while maintaining the same or better sheave alignment
3) Three rollers keep the moveable sheave more correctly aligned with the stationary during up-shift and down-shift.
4) The helix stands alone in the clutch. It does not attach to a sheave. This separates the torque transfer function from the torque feedback function. Belt pull (800-1000 lbs force) does not side load the helix.
5) The spring stays centered in the clutch and the sides of the spring do the rub anything in the clutch like in the team. The Team TSS-04 implemented this change on the 2011 models to improve backshift. They did it by chamfering the spider spring cup and added the same chamfer as the P2 to the steel spring cup.
6) The P2 come stock with a delrin cup in the helix to reduce friction
7) The three rollers maintain sheave spacing all around the clutch in the neutral position. Look at how much wider the sheave spacing is on the Team clutch near the tension adjuster screw. This affects your starting ratio.
The P2 lives on an engine test dyno approximately 3 times that of the Team TSS-04. The Team TSS-04 will complete 9 power-on jumps off a 3 foot loading ramp on wet dirt with 192 studded track before it either shatters the roller or spins the threaded in shaft.
The P2, with it's cast-in shaft, will complete between 28 and 45 of the same jump and will crack the stationary sheave at the shaft interface or break a tooth off the helix. The suspension rails will be replaced three times before completing this test with the P2. The suspension rails are the fuse in a sled with the P2.
I have run this clutch on my race sleds for 4 years now with no issues. I don't know anyone that has switched to this clutch and had issues.
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Good read :)
 
I have a friend who had one on his FST, can't remember which year. It was faster than his brother's FST. Also it had over 10,000 miles on it. A very durable clutch imo. The bushings are staked on the moveable sheave which means that it can't be rebuilt other than pins and rollers.
 
Bigfuse said:
Gear your sled to 1.74, use a Gates belt pn 46C4387, 10-72 weights, 120-310 primary spring. In the P2 use a 130-180 spring with a Dalton 66-44/.45 helix and you're golden. With the P2, clutching, and gearing in my 2011 Rush 800 I got 114 mph.
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That's for the Pro S right?
 
Kerrdog569 said:
Have you tried the team tied clutch?how about the team rooster weights anyone try those?im looking into getting these for mine soon
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yup I have experience with team rooster weights. save your money. I don't like them. and they will hit the spider in no time. I also have a team tied clutch. while it is better then the tss-04 it's not any better then a p-2 I think the p-2 is easier to tune? and will out top end the tied in my findings. same sled, same day, same temp,etc. like how it should be tested.
 
pretty hard to beat the 10 series weights. I do run some 11 series and I like mtx and daltons. other then that the rest aren't any better at the end of the day. I do weight match all my polairs weights and have custom ground them to get a weight that's not available like 67 grams etc.
 
I haven't run a p-2
I run a team tied on my AXYS.
I LOVE the Team Tied for trail riding. Better back shifting, keeps the motor right in the sweet spot. Huge smiles!
I race my TSS-04, although by buddy Tony, won a lot of races with his team tied, I may try racing one next season.
I don't use any of Teams recommendations.
 
fastsleddr said:
I haven't run a p-2
I run a team tied on my AXYS.
I LOVE the Team Tied for trail riding. Better back shifting, keeps the motor right in the sweet spot. Huge smiles!
I race my TSS-04, although by buddy Tony, won a lot of races with his team tied, I may try racing one next season.
I don't use any of Teams recommendations.
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Any set up recommendations?
 
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